Passeio 4x4 pelas montanhas de Creta com almoço em taverna
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Passeio 4x4 pelas montanhas de Creta com almoço em taverna
Creta, Grécia
from 1707 reviews
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Duration: 8 Hours
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Passeie pelas montanhas rurais de Creta nesta aventura off-road
Descubra aldeias rústicas, parando para degustar iguarias produzidas localmente
Desfrute de uma excursão em grupo pequeno com guia, incluindo almoço em taverna e vinho
Ouça contos da mitologia grega, da vida nas montanhas, da natureza e da história
Guia local especializado com conhecimento inigualável das montanhas de Creta
O que esperar
Prepare-se para uma aventura 4x4 que o levará bem e verdadeiramente para fora dos caminhos mais conhecidos. Explore os cantos rurais de Creta e mergulhe na natureza enquanto você atravessa as montanhas em trilhas de terra. Experimente o coração de Creta – sua rica mitologia, flora e fauna diversificadas e vida local fascinante. Katerina, uma de nossas guias locais especialistas, diz: "Os picos montanhosos amassados de Creta ecoam histórias da mitologia grega - Zeus, o deus grego responsável pelos trovões e relâmpagos, nasceu em uma caverna nas montanhas de Creta, e foi aqui em Creta que Teseu matou o minotauro."...
Prepare-se para uma aventura 4x4 que o levará bem e verdadeiramente para fora dos caminhos mais conhecidos. Explore os cantos rurais de Creta e mergulhe na natureza enquanto você atravessa as montanhas em trilhas de terra. Experimente o coração de Creta – sua rica mitologia, flora e fauna diversificadas e vida local fascinante. Katerina, uma de nossas guias locais especialistas, diz: "Os picos montanhosos amassados de Creta ecoam histórias da mitologia grega - Zeus, o deus grego responsável pelos trovões e relâmpagos, nasceu em uma caverna nas montanhas de Creta, e foi aqui em Creta que Teseu matou o minotauro." Começamos com um passeio por trilhas cênicas e olivais, passando por relíquias antigas enquanto subimos pelas colinas de Creta. Em seguida, faremos uma parada em uma pequena vila onde você pode provar raki e azeite de oliva com os moradores locais. O azeite de oliva cretense é valorizado por sua pureza e sabor, bem como por seu alto teor de polifenóis e baixa acidez, o que o torna muito saudável. A partir daqui, a verdadeira aventura off-road começa enquanto avançamos para as montanhas e seguimos uma trilha antiga usada por pastores para alcançar rebanhos no alto dos pastos de verão. Em simples cabanas de pastores, o leite de cabra fresco é usado para fazer um saboroso queijo caseiro. Em seguida, visitaremos uma taverna familiar para um almoço típico local – uma opção vegetariana também está disponível – com vinho ilimitado. Você descobrirá outro lado de Creta com motoristas profissionais e informativos que lhe contarão tudo sobre sua ilha - da vida e história locais à vida selvagem e culinária.
My family and I enjoyed a fantastic 4x4 tour around Crete with guide Nickos. He kept the tour interesting throughout and was sociable and informative. The olive, raki, and cheese tasting was very enjoyable. The meal provided was plentiful and delicious. We're glad we did this tour.
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Saïd
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With friends
- 11 years old
Excellent
Zijn optijd opgehaald, gids was erg vriendelijke en grappig en kon veel over het eiland vertellen. Stops waren erg goed en kregen voldoende tijd om zelf rond te lopen. Eten met de lunch was erg lekker en met mooi uitzicht.
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Steffi
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 19 years old
Excellent
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Laura/Lena/Leon/Timo
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
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With friends
- 14 years old
Excellent
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Jesper
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
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With friends
- 4 years old
Excellent
Superleuke ervaring. Lange jeep tocht en veel offroad. Hele leuke plekken bezocht. Goede uitgebreide lunch. Zeker waar voor je geld!
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Tami
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
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As a couple
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Boon
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 39 years old
Excellent
Dit was her hoogtepunt van onze vakantie. Na de teleurstelling van ins hotel konden wij dit goed gebruiken. Teleurgesteld in Tui waren wij voornemens niets meer bij hen te boeken. Een aardige Hisepgien wist ons tot andere gedachten te brengen. Mede en voornamelijk door inze gids Vasili van safaritours hebben wij een top dag gehad. Echt een aanrader.
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Angel et David
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 14 years old
Excellent
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Micha
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 43 years old
Excellent
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Florian
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 28 years old
Excellent
Sehr schöner Ausflug und der Guide war super freundlich, unterhaltsam und hat mehrere Sprachen perfekt gesprochen. Ist absolut empfehlenswert.
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Chris and family
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 34 years old
Excellent
The wonderful Rep at the Mitsis Laguna “Cat” she was very informative and friendly. The “Safari club” guide Michalis was a characteristic guide full of fun, music and wonderful tales. A really splendid day
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Jaja
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 25 years old
Excellent
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Wim De Baets
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 39 years old
Excellent
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TiLiMa
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 29 years old
Excellent
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Cymraes65
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 43 years old
Excellent
Had a really nice day! Leo, our guide, was such a lovely person and so informative. The food at the taverna was plentiful and delicious. I definitely recommend anyone thinking of taking this trip to do so. Nice to see parts of Crete you wouldn’t otherwise see.
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Paul
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With friends
- 29 years old
Excellent
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Ti cia
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 30 years old
Excellent
J’ai tout apprécié
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Amy
August 2025
From Reino Unido
Traveled as
With family
- 25 years old
Excellent
Brilliant trip with a really passionate and informed guide.
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Max
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 20 years old
Excellent
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Jenny
August 2025
From Alemanha
Traveled as
As a couple
- 19 years old
Great
Der Ausflug, war schön aber zeitweise etwas langweilig. Hätte mir mehr kulinarische zwichenstopps gewünscht
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VK
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 39 years old
Excellent
Sehr sachkundiger Fahrer und der durch mehrere kleine Stops die verschienen Wildkräuter gezeigt hat.
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M. J. Spiegelhofer
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 42 years old
Excellent
Es war eine sehr schöne und interessante off-road Tour mit vielen schönen eindrücken. Das Essen war super, eine kleine Taverne mit typischen Gerichten. Diese Tour würde ich wieder empfehlen.
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Familie Vanhee
August 2025
From Bélgica
Traveled as
With family
- 23 years old
Excellent
In 1 woord FANTASTISCH...wat een geweldige gids Ruud1 hadden we...we hebben van iedere seconde genoten...zelfs praktisch oog in oog gestaan met een gier,waaaaaauwwwww
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Chris
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 35 years old
Excellent
Het was super leerzaam en super leuk. Ruud1 was de beste gids die we konden krijgen!
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Sabine
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 36 years old
Excellent
Alles im Allen war es für uns perfekt!
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Carmen & Mario
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 36 years old
Excellent
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Joe
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 22 years old
Excellent
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Emma, Sarah & Janos
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 23 years old
Excellent
- Es war einfach nur wunderschön. - die Pausen waren perfekt geplant. - das Essen war sehr gut und reichlich ( inkl. Nachtisch ). - Unser Führer Vangeus ( Deutschsprchig ): War das absolute Highlight. An Freundlichkeit & Fachkenntnis nicht zu überbieten. VIELEN DANK Vangeus…. auch für die tollen Bilder und die privaten Einblicke in dein Leben. Neagtiv: NIX
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Anonym
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 24 years old
Excellent
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Familie Happy
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 32 years old
Great
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Sandra Hutter
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 24 years old
Excellent
Unser Fahrer Saki hat die Tour mit seinem Humor, seinen interessanten Infos über das Land und seinen tollen Fotos zu einem unvergesslichen Erlebnis gemacht.
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Olive
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 40 years old
Excellent
Notre guide, Gregory, est une personne formidable. C'est un point fort du voyage. Un peu déçu de la visite de la grotte.
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Marseillais
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 26 years old
Excellent
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Mordecey
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 24 years old
Excellent
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Nico
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 23 years old
Excellent
Le guide est très bien et s'adapte aux personnes qui font l'excursion
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Heike
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 35 years old
Excellent
Viel gesehen, viel Spaß,
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Titine
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With friends
- 38 years old
Great
Les plats ne sont pas assez chaud
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Alex28
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 31 years old
Excellent
Unser Fahrer (Ruud 1) hat uns unterhaltsam und sicher durch die Berge gefahren. Im Vito hatten wir es auch deutlich komfortabler als im Landrover. Die Tour war informativ und lecker, der Preis hat sich gelohnt!
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Lilli
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With friends
- 9 years old
Excellent
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Finchen
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 31 years old
Excellent
Das Mittagessen in der Taverne könnte etwas eher vom Zeitpunkt sein, ansonsten schönes Erlebnis
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Daniela
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 12 years old
Great
Mitarbeiter war sehr freundlich und hat gut erklärt, konnte auch gut deutsch. Das Essen war das einzige was uns nicht so gut gefallen/geschmeckt hat. War ok, aber ich würde es nicht nochmal mit essen buchen.
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Lee A
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 26 years old
Excellent
Leon was a great host, very informative and kept the day relaxed and fun. We all had a great time, thank you
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Mimilamarie
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With friends
- 38 years old
Excellent
Très bon guide avec des anecdotes tout au long du trajet
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Joyce
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 28 years old
Excellent
Leuke en goed gids. Veel info over Kreta. Geweldige lunch!
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Kathleen
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 22 years old
Excellent
Unsere Tour, sowie unser Guide Saki waren der Hammer. Es war so lustig und interessant. Ein wundervoller Tag. Wir waren alle 4 sehr begeistert. Saki hat viele tolle Bilder von uns gemacht und es war ein erlebnis-, sowie Raki-reicher Tag. Die Gruppe hat sehr gut harmoniert, sodass alle ihren Spaß hatten. Gerne wieder und sehr empfehlenswert. Die Kinder schwärmen heute noch von dem Tag.
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Theo
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 33 years old
Excellent
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Erik
August 2025
From Países Baixos
Traveled as
As a couple
- 37 years old
Excellent
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Julie Smith
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 47 years old
Excellent
Enjoyed from start to finish ??
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Peggy
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 29 years old
Excellent
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Susanne
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 34 years old
Excellent
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Christoph
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 25 years old
Excellent
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Familie
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
Excellent
Wir haben viel übers Land und die Leute erfahren. Der Guide war immer darauf bedacht uns viel zu zeigen und fuhr sehr sicher.
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BARA
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 43 years old
Excellent
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Sabine
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 42 years old
Excellent
Tourguide Costa war super
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Habicht Peter -Michae
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
Excellent
War von vorn bis hinten gut ??
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Alain C
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 45 years old
Excellent
Très belle journée en compagnie du Pépé des guides, Nico. Une personne passionnée par son pays et son île qui vous fera découvrir, en français, une partie de la Crète que l'on a pas l'occasion de visiter. Rencontre avec des gens chouettes qui aiment leur région et vous transmettent leur engouement. Mention spéciale pour le guide qui, vous l'aurez compris, est exceptionnel malgré son âge respectable (71 quand même hein l'Ami)
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kris carpentier
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 32 years old
Excellent
perfect
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John marley
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 45 years old
Excellent
A great trip with a knowledgeable and friendly guide, great food.
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Halina
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 42 years old
Excellent
Hat alles gut geklappt
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Barbara
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 27 years old
Excellent
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Beck
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 36 years old
Excellent
Die Guides waren sehr erfahren und super nett. Es hat viel Spaß gemacht und wir haben viel Interessantes und Schönes erlebt. Lieben Dank dafür
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Rik V.
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 42 years old
Excellent
De 4X4 trip is heel leuk en interessant. Komen op plaatsen waar je met een gewone wagen niet kan rijden door het ruwe parcour. De gids was een Griek die redelijk goed Nederlands sprak, maar was soms toch moeilijk te begrijpen hoewel hij zeer zijn best deed. Al bij al zeker een aanrader.
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Selina
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 6 years old
Excellent
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Hausmeister Krause
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
Great
Sehr unkompliziertes Buchen und Umgang während der ganzen Fahrt.Netter Umgangston,nichts Aufgesetztes und Aufgezwungenes für alle Teilnehmer.
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Saorak
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
Excellent
Mittagessen war ausreichend aber Hähnchen teils roh.
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Joe
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 33 years old
Excellent
Im grossen ganzen,ein sehr schöner abwechslungsreicher Tag.Das Essen im kleinen Dorf sehr gut. Unser Fahrer Costa ein lebendiger,witziger Mann,mit vielen Erklärungungen und Tips. MfG Joe
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Ivan V.A.
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 39 years old
Excellent
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Annett
August 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 35 years old
Excellent
Es war ein wunderschöner Tag. Unser Guide hat uns viel über Land, Leute und Kräuter erzählt. Wir empfehlen die Tour sehr gerne weiter.
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Ute
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 41 years old
Great
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Andrea L.
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 40 years old
Great
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Katie
July 2025
From Reino Unido
Traveled as
With family
- 16 years old
Excellent
Very good day out. Jozeph guide was great. He was informative and clear on the days plan. He accommodated to individuals needs and gave options for my daughter who cannot walk far.
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Pat
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 43 years old
Excellent
Notre chauffeur Greg était très sympa et notre circuit en 4/4 nous a permis de découvrir la crête d'un autre point de vue
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Ceyhun Ates
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
Alone
- 18 years old
Excellent
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Eddekier
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 24 years old
Excellent
Leuke trip, alleen is het wat aan de duurdere kant als je vb naar een stad zelf gaat om een trip te boeken..
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J.Templin
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 44 years old
Excellent
Der Guide war Spitze, die Tour war landschaftlich reizvoll und sehr informativ, das Essen war ebenfalls sehr lecker und reichhaltig
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Isabell
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 30 years old
Excellent
Thomas unser Fahrer war spitze!! Er viel erzählt und erklärt. Es war sehr interessant. Das Essen war hervorragend!! Das Ambiente und die Aussicht fantastisch. Rund um super!!
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Jacky
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 22 years old
Excellent
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LR29
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 30 years old
Excellent
Une superbe sortie qui nous a permis de découvrir l'intérieur de la Crête. De magnifiques vues des sommets et paysages à couper le souffle. Un grand merci à Michalis pour son savoir et sa ********** humeur.
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Nightbird
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 21 years old
Excellent
Incroyable expérience, on a eu un super guide Leonidas avec des visites complètes, détaillées et la chance de voir des vautours, des chauve souris et des.super paysages
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Glan Davies
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 55 years old
Excellent
Great experience with a fabulous guide, Gary the goat killer. Full of knowledge about Crete.
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Blackman’s
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 51 years old
Excellent
We thought the trip was really good but it was our guide/driver Leo who really made it. He was very informative about the area and its history and took us to some extra spots not mentioned in the trip description which more than made up for the caves being closed which we had been told about.
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Buss
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 39 years old
Excellent
Uns hat die Tour sehr gut gefallen . Sehr schöne Momente erlebt . Unser Tour Guid Thomas war mit Herz und Säle dabei . Jederzeit gerne wieder
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Thomas A. Schweiz
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 43 years old
Excellent
Tolle Reise ins Landesinnere von Kreta. Sehr interessanter, kompetenter "Reiseleiter". Essen in der Taverna war toll.
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Katja
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 35 years old
Excellent
Die Tour war super unterhaltsam und kurzweilig, man hat auch sehr viel erfahren. Die Verkostungen und das Essen waren lecker und unser Fahrer war lustig und sehr freundlich. Er hat das toll gemacht.
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Piet
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 28 years old
Excellent
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Thomas
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 25 years old
Great
Nicht so gut: Fahrt im Geländewagen auf der Rücksitzbank war nicht besonders bequem. Auf dem Beifahrersitz war es deutlich komfortabler. Gut: Der Ausflug hatte genug Abwechslung.
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Légat Raymond
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 34 years old
Excellent
Notre guide Manuel est tout simplement fantastique, belle découverte de la région et repas copieux et très bon. Seule ombre au tableau l'arrêt au monastère, étape tout à fait inutile à remplacer par autre chose. Magnifique journée dans l'ensemble.
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Tanja
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 10 years old
Great
Wenn man hinten sitzt, versteht man leider akustisch nicht so viel, was der Guide spannendes erzählt.
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John
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
Excellent
Améliorer lunch. proposer BBQ ??? Lunch un peu trop standard bien que frais
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Ralf
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
As a couple
- 22 years old
Average
Also unser Guide hat uns alles gut erklärt, aber es hat an eine Kaffeefahrt erinnert. Ständig haben wir angehalten. Ja wir müssen nichts kaufen, aber warum hält man dann da teilweise solange an? 50 min in einer Töpferei. Da wäre ich lieber Offroad gefahren. 4 Verkaufsstellen in 4 Stunden ist einfach zu viel. Obwohl ich das beim Schäfer super fand.
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Roger
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 48 years old
Excellent
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Mama
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 20 years old
Excellent
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DerFreitag
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 31 years old
Great
Costa, unser Guide, war super! Auch zu den Kindern war er sehr nett, da er selbst Kinder hat. Seine Erzählungen waren sehr interessant und er hat einen ruhigen Fahrstil, was grade in den Bergen auf den Serpentinen sehr hilfreich war. Das Essen in der Taberna ist simple, aber ok. Die Vorspeisen waren leckerer/ansprechender als die Hauptspeise. Alles in allem ein guter Halbtagestrip.
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M.francken
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 22 years old
Excellent
wij waren aan het twijfelen om het te doen het is een hoop geld wat je uitgeeft maar je weet niet wat je er voor krijgt... maar wij zijn blij dat we dit toch gedaan hebben wat was het geweldig ???? je komt op plekken en krijgt een stukje geschiedenis mee over het eiland. De gids Nicos, wat een geweldige vent is dat hij spreekt Engels en Nederlands dat laatste was erg fijn want hierdoor begrepen mijn kinderen ook wat hij verteld kortom een geslaagde dag ????
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Yves
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 33 years old
Excellent
La guide Adeline est juste formidable, souriante, sympathique, amusante, ses explications sont pleines de vie, très intéressantes, les paysages magnifiques, une partie de la Crète à voir, loin du tourisme de masse
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Liesbeth
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 14 years old
Excellent
Met een klein groepje in een landrover de bergen in. Leuke stops, en de reisleider gaf ontzettend veel informatie.
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Christine
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 30 years old
Excellent
Einfach ein Traum Ausflug, viel gesehen ,sehr viel erfahren über Land ,Mythologie, Pflanzen, das Leben auf Kreta. Der Guide sehr herzlich und freundlich.
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PIRARD
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 37 years old
Great
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jpb
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With family
- 59 years old
Great
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Tanja F.
July 2025
From Estados Unidos da America
Traveled as
With friends
- 27 years old
Excellent
Es war wieder ein wundervoller Tag mit sehr vielen schönen eindrücken und natürlich auch viel lehrreiche über Land und Leute!War schon die 2te Tour...immer eine andere sehr empfehlenswert
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